tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post117087896189024004..comments2023-09-28T07:27:05.910-04:00Comments on The Cultimate Opinion: My Turn - Part I of IV - I don't want to growPeter Andrew Jamiesonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05792224377441162267noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1171211315486703922007-02-11T11:28:00.000-05:002007-02-11T11:28:00.000-05:00You make some good points ulticritic. I hope you ...You make some good points ulticritic. I hope you make another comment after my third post (monday) on the topic. I think it addresses some of these points you make.<BR/><BR/>PJPeter Andrew Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05792224377441162267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1171208580750904352007-02-11T10:43:00.000-05:002007-02-11T10:43:00.000-05:00so natural growth would not include, say.... seein...so natural growth would not include, say.... seeing a flyer to come join the local or college ultimate team???? I just dont understand where you would draw the line and consider a promotional avenue to be inapropriate. As for this niche market that you want to preserve, it seems that you are talking about the rejects or has beens from other sports......is that a fair assestment? <BR/><BR/>In my mind, and understand that i was someone that was in my prime during the NY NY days, ultimate should get out there in the mix of the sports world and conform to the establishment and attract top tier athleates and hold first rate presentations that provide maximum entertainment value.....that is if ultimate really wants to be classified as a sport. I think that ultimat has had a major identity problem due all the sotg propaganda that has incompased it all these many years. Once the sport realizes that sotg is mearly a another word(s) for goodsportsmanship then it will see that it is really no different from any other sport. Its competition, teamwork, deception, and so on. And in the end you shake your opponents hand, maybe give em a little half hug and wait for the next game......just like they do in all the other sports. <BR/><BR/>The dynamic that you seem to be promoting is, to me, some what of a hoarding philosophy. Add in the pride of the sotg dynamic and its boarder line self rightious. Point being, if ultimate is so great, why wouldnt you want others to be able to share in its greatness. I guess the big question is "what makes it so great?" to me thats an easy one.....it aint the people...or the process....its the disc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1171160037330107802007-02-10T21:13:00.000-05:002007-02-10T21:13:00.000-05:00All the comments have been good, and like I said t...All the comments have been good, and like I said these are great topics to debate.<BR/><BR/>"Natural Growth" is a poor term. What I mean is that the sport seems to grow mainly on a word of mouth passing on. I, also, know there lots of people who make serious efforts towards organizing all sorts of aspects of the sport.<BR/><BR/>I'm really just questioning if we might be losing a niche market. Pondering if the loss of that market might hurt more than we think. I could be wrong.<BR/><BR/>PJPeter Andrew Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05792224377441162267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1171142418114214012007-02-10T16:20:00.000-05:002007-02-10T16:20:00.000-05:00a couple of things i would like to comment on. Fi...a couple of things i would like to comment on. First, you remind me of some of the people i deal with in the industry in which i work (which is the home building and development industry). Let me explain.....recently i built a small 10 lot development that is right between an older neighborhood of around 40 years and a newly built yet unfinished mixed use comunity. Well the people in the older neighborhood fought tooth and nail not to allow either of the new developments (mine or the much larger mixed use one) to pass through city counsel even though it would give homeowners direct access to shopping, restraunts and office type facilities through the backside of this mixed use community without having to get on any main roads and increase the value of their homes drastically. Long story short.....there was a time when their development was being newly constructed and infringing on other already established neighborhoods on its boarder. So it is my feeling that it is somewhat hypocritical for you to take that stance when at one time you yourself were not part of the ultimate community but due to growth somehow ultimate reached you and included you although others before you may have thought that ultimate didnt need to get any bigger and your participation would have not been welcome or nessecary. Second, ultimate dose not and can not "grow naturally". It takes alot of leg work and organization by people that obviously feel differently about the whole issue than you do. I dont even know what the hell you mean by "grow naturally"......i mean is there an unnatural way in which ultimate, or any sport or organization can grow. Please explain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1171053391245057222007-02-09T15:36:00.000-05:002007-02-09T15:36:00.000-05:00I would like to argue, but I also see your point. ...I would like to argue, but I also see your point. I always thought that anyone who loves the game would want to see it succeed, but I also know a lot of players, good players even, that don't care about the integrity of the sport and would just rather get on the field and toss the disc. I think that growth is a good thing as increased participation and exposure gives us all more opportunities to play and enjoy the game, thus fostering the SOTG concept.<BR/><BR/>However, as you said, if growth is going to happen, it should be done the right way. As other sports continue to grow and decline, there are lots of things we can learn, but too much growth, improperly managed, can indeed lead to things that would diminish SOTG and hurt what we all love about Ultimate.<BR/><BR/>IMO, the very nature of SOTG and the grass roots foundation of Ultimate demand that we all give back to the sport and encourage its healthy growth, but I guess some people don't see it that way. -BaerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1171034562931231472007-02-09T10:22:00.000-05:002007-02-09T10:22:00.000-05:00growth for the sake of growth is sitll a cancer. e...growth for the sake of growth is sitll a cancer. ed abbeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31421523.post-1170959765546073722007-02-08T13:36:00.000-05:002007-02-08T13:36:00.000-05:00Peter, I'm with you 100% on this one.Peter, I'm with you 100% on this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com